While I’m sure it will not surprise anyone given my silence on the subject following one hopeful post nearly two years ago, I will not be playing Star Wars: The Old Republic. I have given a lot of thought about what I’d say about the game only if and when I had the opportunity to play it, and I was given that opportunity last weekend. It was probably not the best timing, given what it had to compete with, but it solidified a lot of things for me, culminating in my final decision on the fate of its purchase in our household.
Although I did note several similarities to WoW in the gameplay I sampled (rest areas being the most glaring one for me right off the bat), it was the Bioware traits that I ended up having most of my problems with. That’s right, I realized I don’t like Bioware games. I could have come to that conclusion when I never got farther than 10 hours into either Dragon Age: Origins or either KOTOR, but instead I figured I just didn’t like single-player RPGs. With dozens of blissful hours of Skyrim firmly behind me, I can kiss that notion goodbye, so it must be something that Bioware does that doesn’t sit well with me.
Considering where I left each of my prior attempts at Bioware games, I think I can safely say that that “thing” mainly is: trapping me.
[Beware spoilers below if you don’t know much about the first 10 hours of DA:O, KOTOR, or KOTOR2]
I left DA:O the night I arrived in that town that is being besieged by darkspawn every night – the one you can opt to help or leave to their fate. I quit because prior to making my decision, I tried to leave and return to the town I’d been doing errands in earlier in the day, only to find that it had been destroyed and was no longer accessible. That left me with nowhere else to go. Sure, I could have denied my help to the townspeople, or chosen one of the other two story paths set out for me, but frankly what I wanted was something, almost anything else. I wanted to be able to go places in the world, even at my own peril, and DA:O said I could not. So I quit.
I left KOTOR in the sewers, after collecting Mission and her Wookiee friend and killing what felt like a bazillion gang members in as many rooms. I simply grew tired of sewers; I wanted to leave the sewers, and with my options being “continue fighting in the sewers” or “go dueling” I chose “none of the above.”
So, I thought, finally, maybe KOTOR2 would be more enjoyable? And this one seemed to be breaking the mold! No sewers! And I made it off the starting planet, and the second one, too! But I ultimately accepted my fate on Nar Shadaa, after cozying up to everyone imaginable and destroying a yacht just to get my ship back, only to remember that there was a Jedi to find and train with, and by that time I realized to my dismay that I no longer cared about any of the whole mess at all. Whatever juice Bioware uses to make so many others feel immersed and invested in their games, I must have been dosed with the antidote.
[end spoilers, if you were watching for that sort of thing]
It turns out that I simply do not have the patience for staying in one environment that Bioware demands of me. I have never fancied myself a sandbox lover (especially given the MMO interpretation thereof), and I love me some well-crafted and portrayed lore and cutscenes, but at least in most MMOs I’ve played I have a variety of locales I can move through in a relatively brisk manner, or, barring that, a variety of activities I can undertake to advance, even within the same environment. Side quests in Bioware never seemed to satisfy me the way they do in other games with main story threads like Guild Wars or LOTRO. Playing pazzak or swoop racing was not a substitute for tasty alternate story content, in my view.
So I tried to keep an open mind when I played SW:TOR last weekend. I wanted to like SW:TOR badly. I was raised on Star Wars (feel free to insert childhood anecdotes that many will have also experienced) – we share a birth year and everything. It’s fate! But in the end, I was a little surprised by how much SW:TOR did not gel with me, though in hindsight the experiences I detailed above make it a no-brainer. I played a Bounty Hunter, a Smuggler, and a Sith Inquisitor, and it wasn’t until the third that I started to feel a bit immersed in the world, since it was the first story where I didn’t feel I was trapped in the environment by a stolen ship or a contest I needed to gain rep to participate in. Also, Seethe is the best power of any character or race in any MMO ever to exist. But by then the beta weekend was ending and I didn’t get to cash in the interest that had just started to build up.
I also had a huge problem with the way Bioware morality is assigned. More than once I boggled at the choices that led to Light Side points over Dark Side, and felt like I had to choose between “staying good” and doing what I felt would give my character internal consistency. I saw replies on various forums saying that these choices ultimately did not matter, since you could “grind out” LS/DS points of your choosing doing flashpoints, but since gaming the system is a playstyle I don’t participate in, I didn’t find the notion very comforting.
I also had a problem with the options for multiplayer that SW:TOR offers. I’m tired of people scoffing at Warhammer’s open groups or Rift’s public groups as though they are such unoriginal and failed ideas, when they are the only two games I can think of that offer such a seamless way to join with more than 3 or 4 people in the open world (and content that can be easily found and tackled with groups of such large sizes to boot). There are heroic areas with elite mobs in SW:TOR, but they are just as static as the non-heroic areas (or, they were on the level 1-10 planet). I could have grouped, but there was nothing compelling me to. By this I don’t mean that I would only group if forced to by content that would kill me; I mean there was no overarching area threat that could have benefitted from players banding together to deal with it, nor a mechanic to allow that to happen organically. And I get that that’s not what Bioware is going for with SW:TOR, and more’s the pity for it.
As for the stories themselves as presented, I thought they were all right, my favorite of the three being the Sith Inquisitor story. In fact, I wish now that I’d started with it, but that brings me to another problem I’ve always had with Bioware’s take on SW:TOR, which is to tie gameplay style with story. I didn’t want to be a mage, I wanted to be a heavily-armored rocket-shooting crowd-controller, but it turns out that that story didn’t interest me as much, so it was off to be a mage I went. I played as a purely Light-Sided Sith, which amused me although my dialogue options tended to be boring. I’d have thought it’d be more interesting to play against type, but it didn’t play that way, so I ended up making up my own interesting quips in my head, and when you’re doing that in a Bioware game, I think you’ve missed the plot.
I think that rather sums up my experience playing this and other Bioware games rather succinctly. I’ve missed the plot. I wanted to like it, I’ve heard such excellent things about it, and I’m not terribly opposed to the traditional MMO-ness of it (I am still playing LOTRO, after all). I’m just out of phase or something, stubbornly immune to, or incapable of appreciating, Bioware’s charms. I’m sure that every one of the negatives I listed above have made their way onto someone else’s “must have” list, and so, with something like a kajillion pre-orders, I’m sure Bioware can do just fine without my support.
I do, genuinely, wonder if the sales will sustain themselves into ongoing subs six months or a year down the line, and think it will really depend on how quickly and robustly Bioware adds content (no mean feat, with voiceovers to add for everything). Tying gameplay to story means that I don’t think everyone will play through every storyline just to see how the story goes, there’s bound to be repeated content across factions, and as it stands it’s easy to see the fallout from your various dialogue choices by escaping out, so curiousity won’t drive that bus too far, methinks (and locking people into their dialogue choices without a means to back out would summon a hue and cry that could be heard from Alderaan).
I don’t think SW:TOR has anything to fear from other upcoming MMOs coming down the pike, except from people who have already admitted that SW:TOR is only a stopgap on the way to another anticipated game (and I wouldn’t bet there are terribly many of them). The only people who would leave other than that are those who have no particular attachment for the IP or company loyalty, but rather will play anything with “MMO” and “new” written on the tin. People who are playing because “it’s Star Wars” or “it’s Bioware” aren’t going to go anywhere, because, well, it is what’s written on the tin. They are its target audience, and they are well loved.
In closing: enjoy, target audience! I’d be pretty excited right now, if I were you.
[…] “I also had a huge problem with the way Bioware morality is assigned. More than once I boggled at the choices that led to Light Side points over Dark Side, and felt like I had to choose between “staying good” and doing what I felt would give my character internal consistency.” ~Casual is as Casual Does […]
The only BioWare game i can truly say I loved is Baldur’s Gate 1. Not coincidentally, that’s by far the most open-world, off-rails RPG they’ve offered us.
By the time BG2 was in development, BioWare were already saying that they wouldn’t be allowing players anything like the freedom they had in the original game, neither in traveling the world nor in making their own story. BG2 put you in a hub-based, instanced “world” and pushed you through the plot in a way that BG1 never had and while I did finish the sequel, it left me with little desire ever to play a BioWare game again.
I eventually succumbed to the hype for Dragon Age and was initially impressed, but after a few days I became totally frustrated with the on-rails story, fragmented “world” and repetitive gameplay. That’s it with BioWare for me. They do what they do and it’s plain now that I don’t like it.
Mr. Randomessa tells me that Mass Effects 1 & 2 suffer less from the railroady feeling that DA:O and 2 and the KOTORs have. I’m skeptical, but he’s played through ME:2 a half dozen times and yet couldn’t get through DA2, so maybe it would be more to your own tastes as well as mine.
I wish I weren’t such a sucker for high-end graphics or I’d try to find some way to play through Baldur’s Gate. It seems to rate high on everyone’s lists.
I could not get through either Dragon Age or KOTOR either, and decided not to bother with the sequels. I too had issues with the gameplay tied down to.an entrapping plot that made broad stroke assumptions about your character in the dialogue options (light/dark +2), and Dragon Age really annoyed me with the pretense of being seemingly open world on a map, but level limited to only a few viable options at each branch.
That said, I find Mass Effects 1 and 2 to be playable, if slightly linear, and the older Bioware games have a quality the newer ones lack.
If you ever decide you can stomach lower quality graphics (see if anyone’s made higher resolution patches), Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 are a little more ‘side quest’ open and classic for their NPC characterisation and in-party interaction. One has simply not lived until two of your party members start squabbling with each other and ‘dragging’ you into the debate, so to speak.
My own reasons for not making that purchase have more to do with some fundamental design decisions and core mechanics of the game than anything associated with the story elements, however I definitely recognize all of the factors you pointed out from previous BioWare games as well, and I would also like to have more gaming experiences that don’t make me feel quite so “stuck on rails” the way most BioWare titles do.
It’s especially important for a MMO in particular imo.
I thought your post was extremely well measured and balanced, and expressed your points with clarity and humility. A very interesting and informative read imo.
Thanks for the kind words on my post! I agonized for quite some time before posting, as I know I’m more the odd one out when it comes to SW:TOR and I didn’t want to rain on anybody’s parade.
I must be another antidoter, because I just couldn’t get “into” the game, as much as I wanted to. Now, I played WoW for years, and I love me some LotRO, so the themepark MMO factor doesn’t bother me. For me it was just too “on-rails”. My character didn’t sound the way I imagined her sounding like, the potential answers weren’t what I would have chosen, and I felt trapped in a storyline that I wasn’t really enjoying. It’s the same reason that I got frustrated with WoW and left that game shortly after Cataclysm – my character wasn’t my character, it seemed more like I was watching a movie starring generic NPC #245389.
That said, I know that I’m not the norm, and it’s not that SWTOR is a terrible game – on the contrary, it seemed very polished and put-together, and I’m sure it’ll be a huge success. It just seems that the Bioware RPG methodology doesn’t jive with my roleplaying playstyle, and that’s okay. I wish them the best.
I hear you loud and clear! But at least we’ll always have LOTRO, right?
Maybe I’ll get a Star Wars MMO I can sink my teeth into in another five years….
[…] Randomessa’s reflections (she discusses why she won’t be playing the game when it goes live.) It turns out that I simply do not have the patience for staying in one environment that Bioware demands of me. […] I love me some well-crafted and portrayed lore and cutscenes, but at least in most MMOs I’ve played I have a variety of locales I can move through in a relatively brisk manner, or, barring that, a variety of activities I can undertake to advance, even within the same environment. […]
Well though out post, and certainly not a knee-jerk hate-it that I have been seeing on some fronts. Thank you for your insights.
Awesome post! I’m still working on my reaction which is from several months of play. I’m really tempted to open with the line “I hate SWTOR, I love SWTOR.”
I enjoyed your post despite being generally pretty excited for SW:TOR and indeed planning to make it my main MMO (alongside EVE, don’t ask). I actually get what you mean about the flypaper patches in Bioware games, which feel tedious to square away in order to experience the rest of the story. They’ve never quite stopped me in the same way, but I do get it. The back-and-forth running about on Coruscant was starting to fit that category for me, too.
I will submit, though, that the first fifteen levels or so are a special case. It’s unfortunate that a weekend just wasn’t enough for most people to get to the point where they do have their ship and are relatively free to fly around the galaxy as they please – especially if they tried multiple classes.
You said it a lot better than I could and obviously have put more thought and time into it and given SWTOR more of a chance than I was willing to. All the hype over Bioware making an MMO was lost on me because I frankly don’t think they’ve made a good single player RPG for over a decade (Dragon Age bored me to tears and the idea that you had “choice” was such a farce…) and I know Mythic makes awful MMOs so putting the two together seems like a straight up recipe for disaster.
Plus I don’t really care for Star Wars so….yeah.
I only got a few hours in on the last beta weekend, myself. I took a Jedi…well, my brain just dumped the word out from under me. The one that isn’t the Knight. Took one of them to level 4 or 5, but wasn’t enjoying it much due to the lag I was experiencing. Managed to cut graphics way down and get it up to playable speed, and it got better. Then I switched up to a Smuggler, and liked that even more. The Smuggler cover mechanic gave me hope that Mass Effect 3’s new cover mechanic would be viable.
I can understand where you’re coming from, I think. I finished KOTOR, but I admit some of the lockdowns did bug me at times, so i can see where someone they aggravated more wouldn’t stick around. If you didn’t like the sewer lock-in, you’d really have hated trying to get past the swoop races to advance the plot in KOTOR 1. 😦 i bogged down a replay of KOTOR1 when I decided I didn’t wanna try yet again on my failed swoop race. Technically, after the first race on the starting planet, you’re able to skip the others if you prefer. They’re not plot-required. But you miss out on a good bit of cash if you do.
I agree that Mass Effect feels less locked in. You do have some lock-in at the start, and at the end. And there’s a complete lock-in at one point in ME2, where it forces you to go do a particular mission once you’ve completed X number of recruitment missions. After that, it’s pretty much a “go wherever you want as long as you don’t go do the next plot mission” sort of thing and there are a lot of side missions out there. You do still have moments of not agreeing with the dialog text, but I imagine that’s true of every RPG. And there’s no alignment-locked gear to worry about. Certain fights may be tougher if you don’t have the paragon/renegade points to either charm or threaten your way out of it, but it’s doable with the middle ground if you prefer.
I think one reason you’re not as likely to see a big Skyrim-type open world out of Bioware is the voice overs. Now, if we could put some solid text-to-speech with the Japanese vocaloid tech and voice sampling to read random quest text in specific character’s voices…
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